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2010-02-05 08:53:16 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Seligman
Delaware Valley Jaguar Club*
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2010-02-05
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I recently purchased a 1964 MK II for restoration. Apparently the original engine was replaced years ago with a 4.2 with two Zenith Stromberg carbs. That should date it from 1969 and later. At least that is my recollection. I am planing to update the car with several "Vicarage" modifications. Has anyone successfully transplanted a fuel injected engine? What is the consensus on the other modifications available for the MKII?
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2010-02-05 13:19:08 |
MK II restoration
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George Camp
Jaguar Society of South Carolina*
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2002-11-24
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Robert a properly sorted Mk2 is a wonderful car. Why not put your energy and $$$$ into just putting it back to orig. spec.
JCRC SE
JCNA Publications
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2010-02-05 17:48:09 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Seligman
Delaware Valley Jaguar Club*
forum user since
2010-02-05
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With the original numbers matching engine gone, it can never be absolutely original. I will have to inspect the car further to see what transmission is in the car. What automatic trans was used in 1963? BW DG250?
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2010-02-05 18:35:51 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Sheridan
Jaguar Owners Club, Inc.*
forum user since
2008-07-19
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Hi Robert,
I have a 1964 3.8 engine (dual SU carbs) with the original automatic transmission. Both were "totally rebuilt" about 15 years ago and then stored (oil was drained, etc.). I recently started the engine (it runs) but it needs a major tune-up after sitting around so many years (needs new plugs, ignition wires, SU's cleaned & oiled, etc.) It originally came out of a 1964 MK 10 sedan. I am pretty sure it would fit your car - George Camp would know.
If your 4.2 engine and tranny are in good condition I would consider an even trade. I live in La Verne, California. If you want to discuss "offline" my email is Bob5837@roadrunner.com
1953 XK120 OTS
1964 Mark 10
1987 XJ6 |
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2010-02-05 18:36:48 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Sheridan
Jaguar Owners Club, Inc.*
forum user since
2008-07-19
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The engine has three SU's not two.
1953 XK120 OTS
1964 Mark 10
1987 XJ6 |
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2010-02-05 19:52:41 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Seligman
Delaware Valley Jaguar Club*
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2010-02-05
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I appreciate your offer. I will be unable to inspect the car for several weeks. I thought the MKII had two carbs but that could be wrong. The 4.2 in the car has two Zenith stromberg carbs. Did you part out the rest of the MKX? I believe in 1964 Jaguar used the Borg Warner DG250 automatic. Also used in Studebakers and Hudsons and other cars. The later XJ6 (XK engined) used the Borg Warner 65/66 but I am uncertain for how long. Later XJ cars used the 4 speed ZF. At least that's my recollection. The GM turbo 400 was used with the V-12's and I am unsure if they were ever used in XK engined Jaguars. The after market industry offers conversions for the GM 700 (400 derivative) and the ZF 4 speed.
Learning these details is a large part of the enjoyment of auto restoration. Certainly nicer than removing rusty fasteners.
Bob
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2010-02-05 20:54:35 |
MK II restoration
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William Brady
Jaguar Owners Club, Inc.*
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2004-02-15
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As this forum is about Mk II 's I will post here. A customer of mine had an original 66 that his father bought new. it had never been mistreated nor parked outside. A year or so ago he told me he was going to have it repainted and cleaned up. Recently he called me and asked if I could look at the car as he had a few problems. The car looked fantastic, excellent paint, the engine had obviously been rebuilt as had the suspension and the front compartment. There were some issues with little things that I thought should have been done but there was a serious vibration in drive, We did what we thought was additional work and suggested he have out list of issues redone by the refurbisher. I explained to them that when a lot of detail work is done there are often little issues which become apparent after a week or two of driving it so not to be too annoyed as what had been done was very good. I also explained the difference between a restoration and a refurbish adding that a proper restoration would cost significantly more. They asked me how much I thought they had spent, and I responded about 50K. I was absolutely stunned to hear that they had paid over $150K. This was not a restored car, in fact there were some things that were really tacky. They then told me some of the "additional" expenses such as the engine. The refurbisher said that on stripdown the block was cracked and sold them a rebuilt engine! I asked why, and said that to exchange the original engine was a "restoration crime" and that they should call ASAP and get the it back! I had driven it just a few months before he delivered it, the car ran on all cylinders although it burned oil and was a little rattly. I felt so bad for them and suggested they take up the issues I had just done and the other problems with the refurbisher. Is anyone out there as shocked as I am that $150K could be spent on a mark II and it was NOT restored, such as; original leather with some mismatching from repairs over the years, mirrors on which the old silver was flaking. And a host of small issues. Furthermore, the vibration made it virtually undriveable???
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2010-02-05 21:17:31 |
MK II restoration
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William Brady
Jaguar Owners Club, Inc.*
forum user since
2004-02-15
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Now, this is to respond to Roberts first question. At the Beverly Hills car show two years ago there was a mk II that was immaculate in every detail. To my amazement I discovered it had a Fuel injected 4.2 (ie 2003 jaguar) engine withh a ZF gearbox. The brakes suspension and steering were custom made and looked fantastic. I tried to find out who owned it but could not, I know Nicolas cage liked this type of customising, perhaps someone who reads this will know more about it.
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2010-02-05 22:38:32 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Seligman
Delaware Valley Jaguar Club*
forum user since
2010-02-05
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I feel that part of the Vicarage popularity is the fact that they use later model Jaguar components for their upgrades. This certainly has less stigma attached than Chevy V-8 conversions and other "hot rod" type modifications.
I retired several years ago and decided to restore cars for a hobby. I restored a 1969 Lotus elan +2 and am completing a 1968 TVR Vixen. One of 37 manufactured in 1968. I do the assembly, parts locating, electrical and some bodywork. I do the work at a friends restoration and body shop. The cost of 150K to freshen up the MKII is outrageous. Caveat emptor.
I have a modest background in engineering and recently created mechanical drawings for a UK company to reproduce drive flanges for the TVR. I do enjoy chasing those elusive parts. I strive for a high quality restoration.
Bob
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2010-02-06 13:43:12 |
MK II restoration
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Jim Morton
Carolina Jaguar Club*
forum user since
2003-04-01
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Bob
If you really have 3 carbs you have a mess. I worked on one once, and because the engine compartment narrows toward the front the converter had bashed out the RH apron with a BIG hammer to make room for the front SU and a custom (thin) 90-degree manifold to the air cleaner.
Another approach to fuel injection is to keep your engine, modify the two SUs to accept fuel injectors, and use the MegaSquirt after-market system. Lots of info at their web site. The appearance is very close to original but wires come out of the inside of the carb vacuum chambers. You need to feel comfortable with computers to take this approach.
Jim Morton, Greensboro NC, mortoncjc@mindspring.com 336-294-3436 |
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2010-02-06 14:08:23 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Seligman
Delaware Valley Jaguar Club*
forum user since
2010-02-05
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Jim
My car has two Zenith Stromberg carbs. I was replying to Robert Sheridan who has a spare 3.8 liter engine with 3 SU carbs. I thought that the MKII's used twin carb set ups. Further I believe that my car was originally a 3.4. From what I can determine it was manufactured in late 1962 possible 1963 and first registered as a 1964. That will take a bit more investigation.
Bob
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2010-02-06 20:07:03 |
MK II restoration
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William Brady
Jaguar Owners Club, Inc.*
forum user since
2004-02-15
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Robert you are correct the Mk II had 2 SU's , Robert Ss' engine is from a MkX and is a 3.8 as yours would have been. You would need to find a Manifold assembly!
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2010-02-06 21:42:36 |
MK II restoration
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Robert Seligman
Delaware Valley Jaguar Club*
forum user since
2010-02-05
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From the information I have been able to find using the "vin" number, my car would have had a 3.4 with a borg warner automatic. That is subject to change as I learn more. Of the little I have read the 3.8 is considered the "best" XK engine. But again I have much to learn on the subject. I am in the process of looking for MK II workshop and parts manuals and books covering the MKII and rebuilding the XK engine.
bob
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